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Republican Delegates and Gun Advocates Expect to be Carrying During the RNC

Protest in Oberlin 2013
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The Republican National Convention starts in just about two weeks  in Cleveland. The city has spent more than a year planning for security around the RNC. But it  has very little say about whether people can bring their guns to Cleveland. 

The city of Cleveland’s list of items banned from downtown during the convention includes tennis balls, grappling hooks and canned goods.

But not guns.

Mayor Frank Jackson offers the shortest of answers whenever he’s asked about that: “We’ll follow the law. The state has a law, we follow the law. Whatever that law is we’ll follow it.”

"A lot of Republicans are for-carry. If you're going to be for carry, don't be hypocritical and require no guns."

  It’s legal in Ohio to openly carry a gun in most public places – no license required. Those who want to pocket their guns need concealed-carry permits.

It’s built into the Ohio Constitution, which says “the people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security.”

There’s also a state law forbidding cities like Cleveland from enforcing more restrictive gun regulations. Even during a political convention.

“Right now I am carrying a Sig Sauer PT20, which is a .45-caliber pistol. It carries eight rounds in the magazine one in the chamber," explains Eric Pucillo. He and his brother founded Ohio Carry. Among the places its made its case for guns as a crucial option for self defense is on Cleveland’s Public Square, a designated center of free speech during the Republican convention.

Eric Pucillo
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Eric Pucillo says guns provide a key option for self defense.

Pucillo expects he’ll be too busy working during convention week to head to Cleveland. But he knows others are considering showing up with their weapons – and says the RNC should welcome that.

“Honestly a lot of Republicans are for carry. If you’re going to be for carry, don’t be hypocritical and require no guns.” 

Oberlin precursor
 "I am the Ohio Revised Code 9.68 compliance coordinator for Ohioans for Concealed Carry..."

That’s Dave Noice in a city park in the college town of Oberlin in 2013. He was one of the demonstrators – some with handguns, some with AR-15s on their shoulders -- protesting that city’s ban of guns in its parks.

He says the argument for a show of guns in Cleveland is part 1st Amendment and part 2nd Amendment. And given the clashes at rallies between supporters and opponents of presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump, Noice says it also could be practical.

“Those violent anti-Trumps, maybe they won’t be as violent. These folks that are open carrying, there’s a lot of stories that go around that, ‘Oh these guns aren’t loaded.’ Let me guarantee that if you have a legal gun owner out there open carrying, his guns are loaded."

Delegates packing

Protests at Trump rallies got Jamie Klein thinking. He’s coming to Cleveland as a Pennsylvania delegate for Donald Trump – and one of a handful who will be bring their concealed carry permits and guns with them.

“I think it’s a very pragmatic solution, and I think it’s part of Republican values, American values to be responsible for our own safety and our own well-being.”

Klein knows he won’t be able to bring the gun into the convention hall itself, but expects he’ll carry it out to dinner. He cites concerns expressed by Steve Loomis, the head of the Cleveland police union, that officers don’t have enough support, training and equipment to handle the RNC.

Steve Loomis
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Steve Loomis says guns in downtown Cleveland won't make life easier for police during the RNC.

  Loomis says he’s been reassured about the city’s preparedness over the last few weeks. But he’s fine with Klein bringing his concealed gun to Cleveland if that makes him more comfortable.

Loomis is more concerned about the open carry advocates who he fears could cause panic.

“Come down if you want to come down with your message but don’t come down all strapped up. It’s not going make our job any easier and it’s certainly not going to make the event any safer.”

Then he shrugs, acknowledges Ohio’s law and and says “we’ll deal with it however we have to.”

This story is co-reported with WHYY’s Dave Davies as part of a political reporting collaborative with NPR.

M.L. Schultze is a freelance journalist. She spent 25 years at The Repository in Canton where she was managing editor for nearly a decade, then served as WKSU's news director and digital editor until her retirement.